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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 03:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In first term... I am sorry  for my bad english. I &#039;am chilean. I would like  to update your discussion with the recent reports in Chile about the causes of  damages onto buildings on Santiago.

Few day ago, we knew by a oficial report that the only one modern building  fell down in santiago  was because it was not made in accordance to the chilean´s codes of construction. It building was not 10 year old.
 
I think in general terms you have reason the codes are not the only one explanation. Obviously, it have a relation with the chilean sismic culture and the better than haiti economical situation.

In last two decades, we have improved ours ecomonomical situation as Country. So we are improving ours codes because they were designed to allow to the people flee without the building collapsed. But this code´s does not guarantee that the building be fully useful after the earthquake. In this days, a lot of engenneer are suggesting improve the codes to ensure the building´s functionality after the earthquake. That is beacuse a lot building did not collapse but they are useless now. So the economical´s lost in infrastructure is very important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In first term&#8230; I am sorry  for my bad english. I &#8216;am chilean. I would like  to update your discussion with the recent reports in Chile about the causes of  damages onto buildings on Santiago.</p>
<p>Few day ago, we knew by a oficial report that the only one modern building  fell down in santiago  was because it was not made in accordance to the chilean´s codes of construction. It building was not 10 year old.</p>
<p>I think in general terms you have reason the codes are not the only one explanation. Obviously, it have a relation with the chilean sismic culture and the better than haiti economical situation.</p>
<p>In last two decades, we have improved ours ecomonomical situation as Country. So we are improving ours codes because they were designed to allow to the people flee without the building collapsed. But this code´s does not guarantee that the building be fully useful after the earthquake. In this days, a lot of engenneer are suggesting improve the codes to ensure the building´s functionality after the earthquake. That is beacuse a lot building did not collapse but they are useless now. So the economical´s lost in infrastructure is very important.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lee Martin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A most provocative point of view.  In the code adoption process, cost vs. safety is always a central argument.  While it is possible to regulate construction to the point where we could not afford the buildings that provided the greatest levels of safety, it doesn&#039;t do much good to have a stringent code if mud or materials salvaged from a landfill are the only available building materials.  South Florida pre and post Hurricane Andrew provides an interesting place to see the difference between earlier and latter damage during natural disasters.  It is commonly believed that strengthening the code reduced the amount of damage suffered in subsequent storms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A most provocative point of view.  In the code adoption process, cost vs. safety is always a central argument.  While it is possible to regulate construction to the point where we could not afford the buildings that provided the greatest levels of safety, it doesn&#8217;t do much good to have a stringent code if mud or materials salvaged from a landfill are the only available building materials.  South Florida pre and post Hurricane Andrew provides an interesting place to see the difference between earlier and latter damage during natural disasters.  It is commonly believed that strengthening the code reduced the amount of damage suffered in subsequent storms.</p>
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		<title>By: SEWilco</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another factor is the different climate in Haiti and Chile.  The temperature in Santiago drops to 3°C in the winter.  That calls for a warmer building.  The cold weather requires a sturdier structure than Haiti&#039;s weather requires.  Or sturdier people.

Even if you wanted to avoid building code requirements, you won&#039;t avoid what Mother Nature will do to you in a few months.  A Haitian shack in Chile would leave you shivering at best.  Adding insulation requires more lumber to hold it.  Covering the insulation well on both sides so it can work and be protected from storms causes a wall to become a rigid block.  Putting a ceiling below the roof (to keep the warm air in) adds more cross bracing for the walls.

If you&#039;re not using wood for this, but instead using brick and concrete (whether from custom or termite avoidance), then even the thinnest walls become rock-like supports with several cross braces.  Any wood rods or rebar reduce the brittleness of brick or concrete.  Any interlocked rebar between the edges of walls and ceilings allow the structure to flex rather than crack apart and flatten.

The cold requires a more substantial structure.  The more substantial structure can cause more injury if it falls on you, but this might not have happened if the earthquake was different or if the construction held the buildings together longer.

Another factor is whether many buildings in Haiti were so light that survival was easy, but that depends upon whether the threshold for injury/entrapment is so low that most Haitian homes had enough material to trap someone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another factor is the different climate in Haiti and Chile.  The temperature in Santiago drops to 3°C in the winter.  That calls for a warmer building.  The cold weather requires a sturdier structure than Haiti&#8217;s weather requires.  Or sturdier people.</p>
<p>Even if you wanted to avoid building code requirements, you won&#8217;t avoid what Mother Nature will do to you in a few months.  A Haitian shack in Chile would leave you shivering at best.  Adding insulation requires more lumber to hold it.  Covering the insulation well on both sides so it can work and be protected from storms causes a wall to become a rigid block.  Putting a ceiling below the roof (to keep the warm air in) adds more cross bracing for the walls.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not using wood for this, but instead using brick and concrete (whether from custom or termite avoidance), then even the thinnest walls become rock-like supports with several cross braces.  Any wood rods or rebar reduce the brittleness of brick or concrete.  Any interlocked rebar between the edges of walls and ceilings allow the structure to flex rather than crack apart and flatten.</p>
<p>The cold requires a more substantial structure.  The more substantial structure can cause more injury if it falls on you, but this might not have happened if the earthquake was different or if the construction held the buildings together longer.</p>
<p>Another factor is whether many buildings in Haiti were so light that survival was easy, but that depends upon whether the threshold for injury/entrapment is so low that most Haitian homes had enough material to trap someone.</p>
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		<title>By: L G MORGAN</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At Where Eagles Dare Theater I experienced a play reminiscent of another time frame --when there was a viable political theater  --when there was a viable poetic theater. Skillfully acted by a talented ensemble, it was a work of daring &amp; potent as a grenade. Actresses barked out the witty dialogue &amp; filled the emotional lyrical language with real feeling. Myers&#039; plays are authentic, artistic &amp; uncompromising. His new &quot;Glass on the Moon&quot; is a sequel to the aforementioned &quot;Point of Impact&quot;  to which I refer.
&quot;Glass&quot; is an indictment of Chilean excess &amp; an homage &amp; celebration of Chilean culture. Dr Myers found the real people in New York City &amp; spoke to them in their native languages! &quot;Glass&quot; will be done at Leslie/Lohman Theater on Wooster Street in May. It will preview in March at Saval Thaeter at 101 Murray Street (across from the World Trade Center).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Where Eagles Dare Theater I experienced a play reminiscent of another time frame &#8211;when there was a viable political theater  &#8211;when there was a viable poetic theater. Skillfully acted by a talented ensemble, it was a work of daring &amp; potent as a grenade. Actresses barked out the witty dialogue &amp; filled the emotional lyrical language with real feeling. Myers&#8217; plays are authentic, artistic &amp; uncompromising. His new &#8220;Glass on the Moon&#8221; is a sequel to the aforementioned &#8220;Point of Impact&#8221;  to which I refer.<br />
&#8220;Glass&#8221; is an indictment of Chilean excess &amp; an homage &amp; celebration of Chilean culture. Dr Myers found the real people in New York City &amp; spoke to them in their native languages! &#8220;Glass&#8221; will be done at Leslie/Lohman Theater on Wooster Street in May. It will preview in March at Saval Thaeter at 101 Murray Street (across from the World Trade Center).</p>
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		<title>By: LAUREN MAYERS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LAUREN MAYERS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I attended a reading of &quot;Glass on the Moon&quot;--a most poetic &amp; most intelligent experimental docu drama in New York City. Authored by PLAYWRIGHT LARRY MYERS, it is a Chilean collage of character monologues. Extremely sensorial, it captures sounds   shapes  colors &amp; rhythms of Chile. It is a frightening &amp; sometimes gallows humoresque stage piece.
When I saw &quot;Point of Impact&quot; at the Where Eagles dare Theater it was sold out. With a cast of 18 it created rumbles &amp; reverberations comparble to Haiti &amp; Chile. Of particular interest were divas Karen Giordano Ronnie Narpel Janice Bishop &amp; Bina Sharif. The work had an international flavor. Dr Myers heads an international playwriting center in the city. His plays at St John&#039;s reflect service &amp; volunteerism. Myers wrote the play as he packed boxes with his Haitian students. He interviewed Haitians in French &amp; Chileans in Spanish. His &quot;Glass&quot; will be presented at both the saval &amp; Leslie/Lohman Theaters in Manhattan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a reading of &#8220;Glass on the Moon&#8221;&#8211;a most poetic &amp; most intelligent experimental docu drama in New York City. Authored by PLAYWRIGHT LARRY MYERS, it is a Chilean collage of character monologues. Extremely sensorial, it captures sounds   shapes  colors &amp; rhythms of Chile. It is a frightening &amp; sometimes gallows humoresque stage piece.<br />
When I saw &#8220;Point of Impact&#8221; at the Where Eagles dare Theater it was sold out. With a cast of 18 it created rumbles &amp; reverberations comparble to Haiti &amp; Chile. Of particular interest were divas Karen Giordano Ronnie Narpel Janice Bishop &amp; Bina Sharif. The work had an international flavor. Dr Myers heads an international playwriting center in the city. His plays at St John&#8217;s reflect service &amp; volunteerism. Myers wrote the play as he packed boxes with his Haitian students. He interviewed Haitians in French &amp; Chileans in Spanish. His &#8220;Glass&#8221; will be presented at both the saval &amp; Leslie/Lohman Theaters in Manhattan.</p>
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		<title>By: John James</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. HD thank you for inspecting my work and providing peer review.  Now I know where I have accidently made errors and not met minimum English standards and can repair my discrepancies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. HD thank you for inspecting my work and providing peer review.  Now I know where I have accidently made errors and not met minimum English standards and can repair my discrepancies.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shubert, PE</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Shubert, PE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chile had buildings which were designed and built to resist strong lateral forces. If you want to visualize a lateral force on a building, think of a 100mph wind blowing on the side of a building and that would be similar to an earthquake force. Now, even if this building were designed to modern engineering standards to resist earthquakes, it would collapse if it was built using shoddy construction materials. 
A building that is not designed to resist earthquake (that is to say lateral) forces will not survive a strong quake even if built with high-quality construction materials. Based on the number of buildings that collapsed in Haiti, we know that either earthquake engineering or proper construction was neglected. What is meant by earthquake engineering?
 
Engineers have been studying the effects of earthquakes on structures for a long time. California was an early pioneer after the destructive Long Beach earthquake of 1933. Many schools and houses collapsed, and engineers learned valuable lessons in how to build with such materials as brick and masonry. Strong building codes were passed, and strong building departments made sure that all structures were built to code with quality materials. 

Even so, every modern earthquake is studied by engineer-earthquake-chasers if you will, who gather pictures and other evidence so that buildings can be designed to be even stronger than before. For instance, the Northridge California quake of 1994 taught engineers further lessons on how to improve welding techniques. This is very important in places where steel framing resists the lateral forces of earthquakes (ie, Los Angeles). 
 
Now, as to the question of why so many buildings in Haiti collapsed, the answer is similar to the 2008 Sichuan Province earthquake in China: shoddy construction, low-quality materials, little or no earthquake engineering, lack of strong building codes, and building officials who may have been corrupt. 
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
Lets look at Concrete:
Reinforced-concrete is one of the best materials to resist earthquakes. The term reinforced refers to the reinforcing steel (rebars) inside the concrete. Concrete is made with bags of cement, water, clean sand, and aggregate which can be rounded or angular. It is incorrect to say &quot;the cement was weak&quot; when what you mean is &quot;the concrete is weak&quot;. In the early days of concrete, smooth rebars did not have ridges to improve bonding, and the steel had a lower strength. However, I would be quite surprised to learn that the reinforcing steel used in Haiti was &quot;smooth&quot; or &quot;brittle&quot;, or that this caused the many building failures. 
A more likely reason is inadequate amount of steel. For instance, the importance of &quot;stirrups&quot; around the main rebars in areas of high stress. I would think that in a place like Haiti, the lack of enough steel in the concrete would be a major reason why structures came down, since steel is always the most expensive component in construction no matter where you build in the world. Concrete without steel (like masonry without steel) is a deadly substance in an earthquake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chile had buildings which were designed and built to resist strong lateral forces. If you want to visualize a lateral force on a building, think of a 100mph wind blowing on the side of a building and that would be similar to an earthquake force. Now, even if this building were designed to modern engineering standards to resist earthquakes, it would collapse if it was built using shoddy construction materials.<br />
A building that is not designed to resist earthquake (that is to say lateral) forces will not survive a strong quake even if built with high-quality construction materials. Based on the number of buildings that collapsed in Haiti, we know that either earthquake engineering or proper construction was neglected. What is meant by earthquake engineering?</p>
<p>Engineers have been studying the effects of earthquakes on structures for a long time. California was an early pioneer after the destructive Long Beach earthquake of 1933. Many schools and houses collapsed, and engineers learned valuable lessons in how to build with such materials as brick and masonry. Strong building codes were passed, and strong building departments made sure that all structures were built to code with quality materials. </p>
<p>Even so, every modern earthquake is studied by engineer-earthquake-chasers if you will, who gather pictures and other evidence so that buildings can be designed to be even stronger than before. For instance, the Northridge California quake of 1994 taught engineers further lessons on how to improve welding techniques. This is very important in places where steel framing resists the lateral forces of earthquakes (ie, Los Angeles). </p>
<p>Now, as to the question of why so many buildings in Haiti collapsed, the answer is similar to the 2008 Sichuan Province earthquake in China: shoddy construction, low-quality materials, little or no earthquake engineering, lack of strong building codes, and building officials who may have been corrupt. </p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>Lets look at Concrete:<br />
Reinforced-concrete is one of the best materials to resist earthquakes. The term reinforced refers to the reinforcing steel (rebars) inside the concrete. Concrete is made with bags of cement, water, clean sand, and aggregate which can be rounded or angular. It is incorrect to say &#8220;the cement was weak&#8221; when what you mean is &#8220;the concrete is weak&#8221;. In the early days of concrete, smooth rebars did not have ridges to improve bonding, and the steel had a lower strength. However, I would be quite surprised to learn that the reinforcing steel used in Haiti was &#8220;smooth&#8221; or &#8220;brittle&#8221;, or that this caused the many building failures.<br />
A more likely reason is inadequate amount of steel. For instance, the importance of &#8220;stirrups&#8221; around the main rebars in areas of high stress. I would think that in a place like Haiti, the lack of enough steel in the concrete would be a major reason why structures came down, since steel is always the most expensive component in construction no matter where you build in the world. Concrete without steel (like masonry without steel) is a deadly substance in an earthquake.</p>
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		<title>By: HD</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell that John James guy to pound sand!

What the hell is fundinding? This guy should slow down and get composed before he writes his opinion for the world to see. 

Haiti has been colonized throughout their entire history. Their valuable resources have been consistently funneled out of that country since Chris Columbus enslaved them, oops I mean discovered them. 

Chile had resources, such as rebar,  available to them when they built their buildings while Haitians gathered all the mud they could find to just get out of the damn rain and provide a little shelter for their families. 

The difference is is really that about the quality of resources because there are good and bad contractors in every market. 

Plus everyone knows that Chileans are just better, cleaner and smarter than the Haitians.

INVESTIGATE 9/11- The building codes and fire protection on those buildings were more than adequate to keep those buildings standing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that John James guy to pound sand!</p>
<p>What the hell is fundinding? This guy should slow down and get composed before he writes his opinion for the world to see. </p>
<p>Haiti has been colonized throughout their entire history. Their valuable resources have been consistently funneled out of that country since Chris Columbus enslaved them, oops I mean discovered them. </p>
<p>Chile had resources, such as rebar,  available to them when they built their buildings while Haitians gathered all the mud they could find to just get out of the damn rain and provide a little shelter for their families. </p>
<p>The difference is is really that about the quality of resources because there are good and bad contractors in every market. </p>
<p>Plus everyone knows that Chileans are just better, cleaner and smarter than the Haitians.</p>
<p>INVESTIGATE 9/11- The building codes and fire protection on those buildings were more than adequate to keep those buildings standing.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankTrades</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Haiti many large structures were built with heavy roofs as protection against hurricaine winds.  When the walls gave way that was a particular disadvantage to people in those buildings.

Bottom line for Port au Prince is that it should not be rebuilt as it was at its present location -- harbor notwithstanding -- because if (likely when) it is, then 10 or 20 or 40 years down the line, this will all be repeated again.

-A geologist]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Haiti many large structures were built with heavy roofs as protection against hurricaine winds.  When the walls gave way that was a particular disadvantage to people in those buildings.</p>
<p>Bottom line for Port au Prince is that it should not be rebuilt as it was at its present location &#8212; harbor notwithstanding &#8212; because if (likely when) it is, then 10 or 20 or 40 years down the line, this will all be repeated again.</p>
<p>-A geologist</p>
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