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		<title>By: Cuddle in Coach, But Don&#8217;t Get Too Comfortable &#171; Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/10/23/the-warped-economics-of-carry-on-luggage/#comment-7546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cuddle in Coach, But Don&#8217;t Get Too Comfortable &#171; Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] For more economics of the air, see this post on the Tragedy of the Overhead Bin.    GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;AdOpt&quot;, &quot;1&quot;); GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;Origin&quot;, &quot;other&quot;); [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For more economics of the air, see this post on the Tragedy of the Overhead Bin.    GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;AdOpt&quot;, &quot;1&quot;); GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;Origin&quot;, &quot;other&quot;); [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to Defeat the Lionfish? Use Your Knife and Fork &#171; Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/10/23/the-warped-economics-of-carry-on-luggage/#comment-3657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How to Defeat the Lionfish? Use Your Knife and Fork &#171; Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Garden, grey whales in the Mediterranean) and quirky discussions of property rights (guacamole, overhead bins, snow shoveling, office lunches). So imagine my delight when I opened the Food section of the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Garden, grey whales in the Mediterranean) and quirky discussions of property rights (guacamole, overhead bins, snow shoveling, office lunches). So imagine my delight when I opened the Food section of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emerald Konma</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/10/23/the-warped-economics-of-carry-on-luggage/#comment-3298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emerald Konma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 23:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there could I quote some of the information found in this entry if I reference you with a link back to your site?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there could I quote some of the information found in this entry if I reference you with a link back to your site?</p>
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		<title>By: Spirit Airlines Combats the Tragedy of the Overhead Bin</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/10/23/the-warped-economics-of-carry-on-luggage/#comment-2608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spirit Airlines Combats the Tragedy of the Overhead Bin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] frequent flyer knows, the competition for overhead space is tight. As I noted a few months ago (“The Warped Economics of Carry-On Luggage“), the situation has only become worse since airlines started charging fees for checked luggage. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] frequent flyer knows, the competition for overhead space is tight. As I noted a few months ago (“The Warped Economics of Carry-On Luggage“), the situation has only become worse since airlines started charging fees for checked luggage. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Tragedy of the Guacamole &#171; Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/10/23/the-warped-economics-of-carry-on-luggage/#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Tragedy of the Guacamole &#171; Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] everywhere in daily life. Property rights, for example, are at the heart of everyday battles over overhead bins, shoveled-out parking spaces, and food in shared [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/10/23/the-warped-economics-of-carry-on-luggage/#comment-1310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Len -- I bet the airlines did exactly the thought experiment you suggest ... and then quickly decided that their optimal strategy is low sticker prices plus add-on fees. Just as eBay buyers are more responsive to prices than shipping costs, so, I suspect, are flyers more sensitive to ticket prices than the fees. At least until they get to the airport and decide whether to check luggage :).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Len &#8212; I bet the airlines did exactly the thought experiment you suggest &#8230; and then quickly decided that their optimal strategy is low sticker prices plus add-on fees. Just as eBay buyers are more responsive to prices than shipping costs, so, I suspect, are flyers more sensitive to ticket prices than the fees. At least until they get to the airport and decide whether to check luggage <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Len Burman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Len Burman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another problem is that gate-checked bags are unloaded first, adding to the incentive to play carry-on lottery.  

My guess is that it costs airlines a lot less to handle gate-checked bags than checked luggage.  If they could get away with it, they might require everyone to carry all of their bags to the gate.  They didn&#039;t, even before the limits on items in carry-on luggage, because checked luggage is a convenience for some passengers--especially if they have connecting flights.  The question, then, is whether the value of checking luggage is greater than or equal to the airline&#039;s cost.  In that context, it makes sense to charge.  

They shouldn&#039;t charge the full cost of baggage handling, because of the congestion costs you identify associated with carry-on luggage.  But they probably also shouldn&#039;t charge zero.

Unless you consider behavioral economic responses (e.g., Michael&#039;s indifference to the charge Southwest builds into ticket prices for baggage handling).  I wonder if the airlines would have gotten a different response if they had offered a $35 discount for those who fly without luggage (and kept baggage handling costs in their base ticket price).  It shouldn&#039;t matter, but...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another problem is that gate-checked bags are unloaded first, adding to the incentive to play carry-on lottery.  </p>
<p>My guess is that it costs airlines a lot less to handle gate-checked bags than checked luggage.  If they could get away with it, they might require everyone to carry all of their bags to the gate.  They didn&#8217;t, even before the limits on items in carry-on luggage, because checked luggage is a convenience for some passengers&#8211;especially if they have connecting flights.  The question, then, is whether the value of checking luggage is greater than or equal to the airline&#8217;s cost.  In that context, it makes sense to charge.  </p>
<p>They shouldn&#8217;t charge the full cost of baggage handling, because of the congestion costs you identify associated with carry-on luggage.  But they probably also shouldn&#8217;t charge zero.</p>
<p>Unless you consider behavioral economic responses (e.g., Michael&#8217;s indifference to the charge Southwest builds into ticket prices for baggage handling).  I wonder if the airlines would have gotten a different response if they had offered a $35 discount for those who fly without luggage (and kept baggage handling costs in their base ticket price).  It shouldn&#8217;t matter, but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Carlson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One response to this by the airlines was experienced by my wife recently.  The airlines offered her &quot;early boarding&quot; (for a fee) for the express purpose of finding space in the overhead compartments. She declined the offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One response to this by the airlines was experienced by my wife recently.  The airlines offered her &#8220;early boarding&#8221; (for a fee) for the express purpose of finding space in the overhead compartments. She declined the offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/10/23/the-warped-economics-of-carry-on-luggage/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Michael -- Judging from what I see on the web, you are not alone. Southwest (and Jet Blue) have both distinguished themselves by not charging fees for the first (or possibly more) checked bags. And they have been doing better than other airlines. Some analysts think the two facts are related.

Of course, Southwest does have another tragedy of the common problem: getting on board early. On occasion, I have done online check-in about 23 hours and 45 minutes in advance of my flight, and still found myself deep in group B.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael &#8212; Judging from what I see on the web, you are not alone. Southwest (and Jet Blue) have both distinguished themselves by not charging fees for the first (or possibly more) checked bags. And they have been doing better than other airlines. Some analysts think the two facts are related.</p>
<p>Of course, Southwest does have another tragedy of the common problem: getting on board early. On occasion, I have done online check-in about 23 hours and 45 minutes in advance of my flight, and still found myself deep in group B.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dohrn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Dohrn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can think of similar, possibly more equitable ways (defined in this instance as &quot;those options which I would enjoy more&quot;) of doing this.  The biggest obstacle to any of these being implemented is the extreme price sensitivity regarding airfare.  

I&#039;ve watched my mother run this scenario a number of times: She looks for airfare online, finds the absolute cheapest flight going from home to wherever she is going.  This is when she calls me to tell me about the smokin&#039; deal she got on a plane ticket.  She books it, then acts surprised when it&#039;s super-substandard service in any number of ways, from paid check baggage, to 1 flight attendant, to the plane only has one wing, or whatever.  If the general paying public could remember more often the price *over*-consciousness drives service cuts to assist in competition, flying might still be enjoyable (maybe) and we might be able to buy consumer goods worth their salt (where applicable, as not all consumer goods contain salt).

Southwest lets 1 bag fly free.  Because they&#039;re the only airline advertising it, I don&#039;t even check anyone else&#039;s airfare before booking Southwest, so they could be gouging the ever-loving whoa out of me and I would have absolutely no idea.  And you know what?  I&#039;m okay with that, because I don&#039;t even have to think about it.  I was raised with the idea that if it can&#039;t fit into one bag, there&#039;s too much, or you need a bigger bag.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of similar, possibly more equitable ways (defined in this instance as &#8220;those options which I would enjoy more&#8221;) of doing this.  The biggest obstacle to any of these being implemented is the extreme price sensitivity regarding airfare.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched my mother run this scenario a number of times: She looks for airfare online, finds the absolute cheapest flight going from home to wherever she is going.  This is when she calls me to tell me about the smokin&#8217; deal she got on a plane ticket.  She books it, then acts surprised when it&#8217;s super-substandard service in any number of ways, from paid check baggage, to 1 flight attendant, to the plane only has one wing, or whatever.  If the general paying public could remember more often the price *over*-consciousness drives service cuts to assist in competition, flying might still be enjoyable (maybe) and we might be able to buy consumer goods worth their salt (where applicable, as not all consumer goods contain salt).</p>
<p>Southwest lets 1 bag fly free.  Because they&#8217;re the only airline advertising it, I don&#8217;t even check anyone else&#8217;s airfare before booking Southwest, so they could be gouging the ever-loving whoa out of me and I would have absolutely no idea.  And you know what?  I&#8217;m okay with that, because I don&#8217;t even have to think about it.  I was raised with the idea that if it can&#8217;t fit into one bag, there&#8217;s too much, or you need a bigger bag.</p>
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