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		<title>By: Jane Quatam</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-3335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Quatam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 05:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why, when I look in the mirror, do I see Japan? Is America, Japan in the throes of collapsing circa 1990, without the engine of exports to moderate the rapidity of the collapse?

Are the seeds of deflation apparent now? Does the recession/depression continue until 2014 when the Department of Defense says demand will outstrip oil supplies? How does an industrialized society survive without cheap oil? 

Are we getting a clear picture of what is really going on in the economy or is the situation manipulated in order to conceal the magnitude of the problems before us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, when I look in the mirror, do I see Japan? Is America, Japan in the throes of collapsing circa 1990, without the engine of exports to moderate the rapidity of the collapse?</p>
<p>Are the seeds of deflation apparent now? Does the recession/depression continue until 2014 when the Department of Defense says demand will outstrip oil supplies? How does an industrialized society survive without cheap oil? </p>
<p>Are we getting a clear picture of what is really going on in the economy or is the situation manipulated in order to conceal the magnitude of the problems before us?</p>
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		<title>By: cars</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-1030</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good information  on cars
Thanks for sharing this information,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good information  on cars<br />
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		<title>By: Fin/Inv &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Judging Downturns</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fin/Inv &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Judging Downturns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in lockstep. But a very standard metric is the peak-to-trough decline in real GDP. The chart above, from Donald Marron, shows that by this measure, the current recession is the worst since the Great Depression, as as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in lockstep. But a very standard metric is the peak-to-trough decline in real GDP. The chart above, from Donald Marron, shows that by this measure, the current recession is the worst since the Great Depression, as as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando Armaswalker</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-908</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orlando Armaswalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My concern is that this is a debt inspired Schumpeterian depression where the essential prosperity of the nation will not be impaired immediately as it was in the 1920&#039;s.  This would look like Japan 1990-2010 except, Japan&#039;s depression was primarily caused by the corporate sector borrowing, whereas ours is caused by consumer and government.  

The implied velocity of money is still very high and with GDP = MV, the reduction in velocity that will take place as the debt unwinds is in the neighborhood of 30+ % (current V ~ 1.7 vs 1941 low of ~1.2  a difference of around 30%).  We have a long way to go still.  The fed thinks that by pumping up reserves it will solve this problem (that is increasing M to solve for reduction in V).  This is the theory that Friedman (and now Bernanke) advocated.  It is now called the great experiment.  Can we grow money in use by 35% or so to prevent depression 2.0?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern is that this is a debt inspired Schumpeterian depression where the essential prosperity of the nation will not be impaired immediately as it was in the 1920&#8242;s.  This would look like Japan 1990-2010 except, Japan&#8217;s depression was primarily caused by the corporate sector borrowing, whereas ours is caused by consumer and government.  </p>
<p>The implied velocity of money is still very high and with GDP = MV, the reduction in velocity that will take place as the debt unwinds is in the neighborhood of 30+ % (current V ~ 1.7 vs 1941 low of ~1.2  a difference of around 30%).  We have a long way to go still.  The fed thinks that by pumping up reserves it will solve this problem (that is increasing M to solve for reduction in V).  This is the theory that Friedman (and now Bernanke) advocated.  It is now called the great experiment.  Can we grow money in use by 35% or so to prevent depression 2.0?</p>
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		<title>By: Judging Downturns - Economics -</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Judging Downturns - Economics -]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in lockstep. But a very standard metric is the peak-to-trough decline in real GDP. The chart above, from Donald Marron, shows that by this measure, the current recession is the worst since the Great Depression, as as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in lockstep. But a very standard metric is the peak-to-trough decline in real GDP. The chart above, from Donald Marron, shows that by this measure, the current recession is the worst since the Great Depression, as as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Perspective from Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perspective from Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Commentary from Marron, here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Commentary from Marron, here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Quatam</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Quatam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope you update this monthly from now til 2020 or whenever the 1st depression of the 21st century ends in case I&#039;m being too optimistic. BTW one of the folks from the regional FED banks said real unemployment was about 16% nationally. Refreshing to see a small peak behind the curtain of &quot;official numbers&quot; don&#039;t you think. I hope I am wrong and you are right but I haven&#039;t seen the government tell the truth in over 50 years on this mad planet, I can&#039;t understand why they would start now.

If we are a consumer based economy, and consumers keep losing their jobs, and those that remain employed are working  less hours per week, and in any case all consumers as a whole are at a record level of indebtedness, just how do we the consumer spend our way out of this depression? What is the engine of growth going forward? We all can&#039;t run our own repo businesses or is that the next bubble?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you update this monthly from now til 2020 or whenever the 1st depression of the 21st century ends in case I&#8217;m being too optimistic. BTW one of the folks from the regional FED banks said real unemployment was about 16% nationally. Refreshing to see a small peak behind the curtain of &#8220;official numbers&#8221; don&#8217;t you think. I hope I am wrong and you are right but I haven&#8217;t seen the government tell the truth in over 50 years on this mad planet, I can&#8217;t understand why they would start now.</p>
<p>If we are a consumer based economy, and consumers keep losing their jobs, and those that remain employed are working  less hours per week, and in any case all consumers as a whole are at a record level of indebtedness, just how do we the consumer spend our way out of this depression? What is the engine of growth going forward? We all can&#8217;t run our own repo businesses or is that the next bubble?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are absolutely right, thanks. I make some tweaks to the chart and text. The annual data don&#039;t really do justice to the 1937-38 downturn (only 3.4% year-over-year), so I decided not to include it in the chart itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right, thanks. I make some tweaks to the chart and text. The annual data don&#8217;t really do justice to the 1937-38 downturn (only 3.4% year-over-year), so I decided not to include it in the chart itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill C</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a useful reminder to keep the &quot;Depression&quot; hysteria in perspective.  I think 1937-38 should also be in there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a useful reminder to keep the &#8220;Depression&#8221; hysteria in perspective.  I think 1937-38 should also be in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Not the Great Depression 2.0 &#171; Donald Marron</title>
		<link>http://dmarron.com/2009/08/02/still-not-the-great-depression-2-0/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not the Great Depression 2.0 &#171; Donald Marron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] May 27, 2009 by Donald Marron    NEW UPDATE: For updated data and an even better discussion of the issues raised here, please start with this post from August 2, 2009. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] May 27, 2009 by Donald Marron    NEW UPDATE: For updated data and an even better discussion of the issues raised here, please start with this post from August 2, 2009. [...]</p>
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